Curse

Seren!ty · Oct 29, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Why you care is beyond me. It's just a title, and other people getting it doesn't affect your gameplay at all. Right now you're not the only one with GMC.. so? QQ?

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Originally Posted by Torqual

So, maybe some readers will understand if I find this a little sickening. What was even more annoying.... this mod was so good that one of them hadn't even been into JQ and neither of them even knew about the Eredon Terrace glitch. So no actual skill involved.

How? Exploiting glitches = skill? lol?
This is just more crying over your e-peen that we find every day on these forums.

Vinraith · Oct 29, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Title are, frankly, constructed on buggy premises. The OP himself pretty well outlines this. I see no problem is untilizing a mod that helps one circumvent flaws in the system.

Ultimately it's about fun (it is a game, after all, not a degree program). I don't think the rigamarole the OP describes involved in getting the title "legit" is fun for very many people. I also don't think any of it demonstrates "skill" as the OP states. More like "having an enormous amount of time on your hands."

the_jos · Oct 29, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

As longtime LC and someone who helped countless others with their exploration, I have to say I could not care less about this.

When you know where to find the spots you are missing, you can hunt them down fast.
People did mapcompares here on guru, either free or for charge.
Others did their own compare against 100% maps.
And others just hugged every wall there is and got 100%.

I can do GMC Cantha in a minimum of time, since I know where some of the more difficult spots are and how to explore the most efficient way.
That has nothing to do with the mod or whatever, just smart play.
If someone can play all missions in one day and can also manage to have time after that to explore, I'd say (s)he should get out more.

However, I'd like to point out that I find it hard to believe they got their title in a day from 0 to 100%.
I even more doubt this is possible for the other continents.

In the end, Texmod made things easier for people, but it does not help others more than map compares on forums (or by themselfs).

freekedoutfish · Oct 29, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

What advantage? Title is not advantage. And even spending less time in real-life achieving GMC is not an advantage, since anyone can do it....)

You miss quuoted me and made it look like I use mods, which I dont. A miss type I expect (hope), but anyway!

I didnt say the title was an advantage, I said using the mod to achieve the title was an advantage! You cant argue otherwise, its a fact. I can understand people using it if they need that last few % marks because ive been there and done it.

But to those who think "right im going to explore and use the mod right from the start" without atleast reaching 80-90% themselves first, I think that is sheer lazeyness!

There is no excuse to not atleast try "on your own" first, before resorting to mods for help!

YunSooJin · Oct 29, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

lol it took you 4 weeks? It took me 2 days to do Elonian Cartographer, without any outside help.

gfg. problem exists between keyboard and chair, no?

**cosyfiep** · Oct 29, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I can understand the OP, I cant use the textmod thingy and doing map comparisons makes me physically ill (being blind in one eye and the other aint that great either....).
I admit I got some help with my cartography titles for tyria and cantha (someone else doing the comparing for me and then telling me to go to all the following areas...and that should do it, but I still had to go to all the areas etc)....and I thanked the individuals profusely when I achieved them...I paid no one and there was no text mod back then. I still have yet to complete elona (cant be a....to do a stupid challenge mission just to map

)....so I'm stuck on that one for now.
I got my titles the hard way, same for some of the others: my survivor never used a scroll and had nothing to cap on those double xp cap weekends...they did it the old fashioned way...killing and questing. I dont have a large guild so doing missions is either h/h or me and my other guildee so getting prots has taken a bit longer as well (just finished prot of tyria with my rit last night, felt good).
My titles mean something to me, and thats all that matters if other people are choosing the 'lazy' way of getting them, then so be it, but dont compare me to them.
(and hugging the walls etc wasnt 'fun' it was part of the goal---yes it was a bit laborious but when I got my .1 or .2 I felt like I had achieved something. THAT was why I was doing it ---not for some title, because in all likelihood I wont be getting gw2 and the HoM just aint that powerful enough goal for me to push myself).

Zeek Aran · Oct 29, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I got Legendary Cartographer by taking hundreds of screenshots of each continent and placing them on top of another map in photoshop and comparing. The title means little to me now, as I won't be doing it on any of my other characters, and what would I say to your friends? Goodjob. This is like me saying I payed 100k+30 ecto for a bone dragon when it was new... and then someone selling on in Kamadan for 90k. I don't bitch, moan, complain, or whine about it. This isn't affecting you, why should you care? You sound like my grandfather... "I had to walk ten miles to school every day... uphill both ways!"

Firebaall · Oct 29, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Stopped reading the OP's whine n' cheese rant halfway through. I'm starting to think these guys have the "Waaabulance" on speed dial.

Bryant Again · Oct 29, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But to those who think "right im going to explore and use the mod right from the start" without atleast reaching 80-90% themselves first, I think that is sheer lazeyness!

How are they lazy?? Carto'ing will still take a while no matter what.

jezz · Oct 29, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

IMO its not right to allow people to use mods ingame which give that huge an advantage (if it doesnt infact highlight areas), but then they dont allow others! Its hypercritical and its unfair on those who did that work without the mods.

But then there are two sides to the coin...

1) You have a person who spent weeks exploring and cant find the last 0.1% and they use the mod to help.
2) You have a person who just wants a max title and uses the mod from the start and its done within a day.

Im sure the mod was created with the best intentions, but it is basically getting exploited. My opinion is that such a mod shouldnt kick in until you have 90% and THEN it helps you get the last 10%.

But I personally would never use such a thing.

I admit I compared maps using photoshop, but that is NO where near as bad as a mod which actually highlights areas ingame.

But there is nothing you can do! Once again Anet has stood back and devalued ANOTHER title. Cartographer used to mean something, and now its nothing but an easy 4 extra titles.

and how are you going to stop people from modding there own computer? to enchance the ability to complete a goal...that may save them hours, days and weeks of exploring, for their own individual success. it isnt hurting you or any other player in game does it.

so i make it simple for you just DONT use it...

and stop flaming Anet over minor issues..that stuff gets real old

OH and to the OP...if they did it in a day they more than likely already had most completed from doing storyline..then they still worked at it...IF they did it in a day..dont believe everything they tell you in game..

NeHoMaR · Oct 29, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Torqual

What's A-Net going to do about it?

Everyone using any external tool could be in risk to be banned, that's my opinion. So, I don't use that things, plain and simple. Good luck to the ones using it.

bobrath · Oct 29, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

So is using MappingOut to quickly find all the boss locations for each skill and being able to make a bee-line to them in order to get your Legendary Skill Hunter a cheat also?

Its a third party utility that makes information more available - only difference is that you have to alt-tab to get it.

Hmm... but then the guild-wiki would be a cheat as well as using the in-forum assistance of others to compare maps to find your missing spots.

I did my Tyrian the "old fashioned way" and got the last .5% of Cantha with the help of TexMod. Which one felt better? Honestly the later. I was able to spend more time playing with other players instead of telling them "sorry I'm to busy staring at a wall trying to make some fog disappear." I'd already done a huge amount of work to get close, this made the end game faster. So when I got to Elona with my GMC char did I use TexMod? Absolutely, but it made 0 difference to me until I got very close to the end.

HawkofStorms · Oct 29, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Everyone using any external tool, modding, or whatever in GW, is in risk to be banned, that's my opinion. So, I don't use that things, plain and simple. Good luck to the ones using it.

Actually, as Galie has already said textmod won't get you banned. They just don't support it if it "blows up your fridge."

jezz · Oct 29, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Everyone using any external tool, modding, or whatever in GW, is in risk to be banned, that's my opinion. So, I don't use that things, plain and simple. Good luck to the ones using it.

you dont know what you are talking about...plain and simple..

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod

i would suggest reading above link before stating your opinion again on this matter

Esan · Oct 29, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

QQing over GMC? That's good comedy.
Here's a hint: the only worthwhile PvE titles are Guardian and Vanquisher. GMC is for carebears who care so much, they want to hug everything.

ForgeWhelp · Oct 29, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I say that it's my title let me 'earn' it how ever I want.

MMSDome · Oct 29, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

So your saying that when people didnt have calculators they had to solve problems in their heads or use the little wooden scale things and once we got calculators it was unfair because it made everything easier.

Tough luck...

sykoone · Oct 29, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

The cartography mod was created for the sole purpose of helping those who continued posting on the forums about not being able to find the last 1%. Yes, there were people offering to do map comparisons, but rather than wait on someone else to provide you with the locations, I decided to make this mod so the comparisons could be done on the fly. While it wasn't intended for permanent use, I assumed some would use it on new characters to clear zones as they went. To consider this mod as cheating is the same as saying map comparisons are cheating. The only difference is the immediate gratification the mod provide.

Even using the mod, however, you are still required to scrape the edges, go through all the zones, slaughter your way through the mobs. So of all the titles, this is still one of the more difficult to attain.

freekedoutfish · Oct 29, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by jezz

and how are you going to stop people from modding there own computer? to enchance the ability to complete a goal...that may save them hours, days and weeks of exploring, for their own individual success. it isnt hurting you or any other player in game does it.

so i make it simple for you just DONT use it...

and stop flaming Anet over minor issues..that stuff gets real old

OH and to the OP...if they did it in a day they more than likely already had most completed from doing storyline..then they still worked at it...IF they did it in a day..dont believe everything they tell you in game..

Im allowed to express my opinion about whether I like or dont like mods. If you read what I wrote, I said IMO they are ok if they are aiding someone after they have put atleast some effort in.

But for a person to just use a mod to do an entire task, with none of their own effort is lazey!

That doesnt mean im saying dont do it, because ive earnt my own titles myself without any mods or advantages. I can say that with prid! But if you dont mind how it reflects on you by using a mod then go ahead.

It doesnt bother me any.

Hyper.nl · Oct 29, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

It may not be cheating, just like map checks is considered not to be cheating. But it does give an unfair advantage to players who do not use mods or got their cartographer titles the 'hard' way. (Like me)

But due to the technical nature of the mods I don't see them being canceled. So, for now try to cry until you forget about it.